About the show
Security Conversations covers the business of cybersecurity, from the lens of veteran journalist and storyteller Ryan Naraine. Thoughtful conversations with security practitioners on threat intelligence, zero trust, securing cloud deployments, penetration testing, bug bounties, advancements in offensive research and targeted malware espionage activity.
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Episodes
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Ep9: The blurring lines between nation-state APTs and the ransomware epidemic
August 23rd, 2024 | 1 hr 6 mins
apt research, attribution, china, nation-state, ransomware, taiwan, xiaomi, zero-day
The 'Three Buddy Problem' Podcast Episode 9: On this episode, we look at the hacking scene in Taiwan, the sad state of visibility into big malware campaigns, the absence of APTs linked to the prolific MIVD Dutch intelligence agency, the blurring lines between big ransomware heists and nation-state actors caught using ransomware as a tool for sabotage and misattribution.
Plus, Chinese mobile OS vendor Xiaoimi caught disabling parts of its infrastructure -- including its global app store -- to thwart Pwn2Own contestants; and news of an addition to the LABScon 2024 keynote stage.
Hosts: Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade (SentinelLabs), Costin Raiu (Art of Noh), Ryan Naraine (SecurityWeek)
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Ep8: Microsoft's zero-days and a wormable Windows TCP/IP flaw known to China
August 17th, 2024 | 1 hr 17 mins
apt research, nation-state, zero-day
The 'Three Buddy Problem' Podcast Episode 8: This week’s show digs into Microsoft’s in-the-wild zero-day woes, Patch Tuesday and the absence of IOCs, a wormable Windows TCP/IP flaw that the Chinese government knew about for months, Iran’s aggressive hacking US election targets, CrowdStrike v Qihoo360 and major problems with APT naming conventions.
Hosts: Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade (SentinelLabs), Costin Raiu (Art of Noh), Ryan Naraine (SecurityWeek)
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Ep7: Crowd2K and the kernel, PKFail supply chain failures, Paris trains sabotage and Russian Olympic attacks
August 2nd, 2024 | 1 hr 10 mins
cyberwar, olympics, pkfail, russia
The 'Three Buddy Problem' Podcast Episode 7: In this episode, we try to close the book on the CrowdStrike Windows BSOD story, Microsoft VP David Weston’s technical documentation and issues around kernel access and OS resilience. We also discuss Binarly’s PKFail research, secure boot bypasses, Dan Geer and tech monoculture, software vendor liability issues and the need for inspectability in security mechanisms.
The conversation explores cyber angles to train service disruptions in Paris, the history of cyber operations targeting the Olympics, the lack of public acknowledgment and attribution of cyber operations by Western intelligence agencies, and the importance of transparency and case studies in understanding and discussing cyber operations.
Hosts: Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade (SentinelLabs), Costin Raiu (Art of Noh), Ryan Naraine (SecurityWeek)
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Ep6: After CrowdStrike chaos, should Microsoft kick EDR agents out of Windows kernel?
July 26th, 2024 | 1 hr 16 mins
apt research, crowdstrike, edr, microsoft, nation-state, windows, zero-day
The 'Three Buddy Problem' Podcast Episode 6: As the dust settles on the CrowdStrike incident that blue-screened 8.5 million Windows computers worldwide, we dig into CrowdStrike’s preliminary incident report, the lack of transparency in the update process and the need for more robust testing and validation. We also discuss Microsoft's responsibility to avoid infinite BSOD loops, risks of deploying EDR agents on critical systems, and how an EU settlement is being blamed for EDR vendors having access to the Windows kernel.
Other topics on the show include Mandiant's attribution capabilities, North Korea’s gov-backed hacking teams launching ransomware on hospitals, KnowBe4 hiring a fake North Korean IT worker, and new developments in the NSO Group surveillance-ware lawsuit.
Hosts: Costin Raiu (Art of Noh), Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade (SentinelLabs), Ryan Naraine (SecurityWeek)
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Ep5: CrowdStrike's faulty update shuts down global networks
July 19th, 2024 | 59 mins 51 secs
apt research, crowdstrike, edr, nation-state, zero-day
The 'Three Buddy Problem' Podcast Episode 5: Hot off the press, we dive into the news of the CrowdStrike software update that caused blue screens on computers worldwide, the resulting chaos and potential connections to the Microsoft 365 outage, the fragility of modern computing and the risks of new software paradigms.
We also discuss the AT&T mega-breach and the ransom paid to delete the stolen data; the challenges of ransomware and the uncertainty surrounding the deletion of stolen data; the FBI gaining access to a password-protected phone, the prices for zero-click exploits; and the resurgence of APT 41 with expanding targets.
Plus, some news on upcoming keynote speakers at LabsCon 2024.
Hosts: Costin Raiu (Art of Noh), Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade (SentinelLabs), Ryan Naraine (SecurityWeek)
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Ep4: The AT&T mega-breach, iPhone mercenary spyware, Microsoft zero-days
July 12th, 2024 | 1 hr 11 mins
apple, at&t, cisa, csrb, microsoft, snowflake
The 'Three Buddy Problem' Podcast Episode 4: Listen as the hosts delve into the massive AT&T call logs breach, the Snowflake incidents and the notion of shared-fate/shared responsibilities; news on fresh Apple notifications about mercenary spyware on iPhones and the effectiveness of notifications for different types of controversial targets. Plus, thoughts on Microsoft's zero-day disclosures and useless Patch Tuesday bulletins, AI-powered disinformation campaigns, and the US government's malware sharing initiative fading away.
Hosts: Costin Raiu (Art of Noh), Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade (SentinelLabs), Ryan Naraine (SecurityWeek)
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Ep3: Dave Aitel joins debate on nation-state hacking responsibilities
July 5th, 2024 | 1 hr 4 mins
cisa, csrb, google, microsoft, project zero
The 'Three Buddy Problem' Podcast Episode 3: Former NSA computer scientist Dave Aitel (Immunity Inc., Cordyceps Systems) joins Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade for a frank discussion on the OpenSSH unauthenticated remote code execution vulnerability and the challenges around patching and exploitation, the CISA 'secure-by-design' pledge and its impact on software vendor practices, Microsoft lobbying and the CSRB report, and changing face of government's attempts at cybersecurity regulations.
We discuss the disruption caused by political changes and the potential implications for cybersecurity policies, impact from the Supreme Court Chevron ruling, security regulations and the challenges of writing laws for future technology, the role of CISA and its accomplishments, the debate around offensive cyber operations and the responsibility of companies like Google in addressing vulnerabilities.
The need for clear separation between counterterrorism and espionage operations is highlighted, as well as the importance of understanding both defensive and offensive perspectives.
- Costin Raiu is on vacation.
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Ep2: A deep-dive on disrupting and exposing nation-state malware ops
June 29th, 2024 | 1 hr 8 mins
apt, google, microsoft, nation-state, polyfill, russia, teamviewer
The 'Three Buddy Problem' Podcast Episode 2: Ryan Naraine, Costin Raiu and Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade go all-in on the discussion around Google Project Zero disrupting counter-terrorism malware operations. A deep dive on disruption vs exposure, the effects of US government sanctions on private mercenary hacking companies, hypocricy and the tricky relationship between malware researchers are the intelligence community, and the lack of 'success stories' from so-called benevolent malware.
We also discuss the implications of the TeamViewer breach by a skilled Russian APT, new Microsoft notifications to Midnight Blizzard victims and share thoughts on the Polyfill.io supply chain compromise.
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Ep1: The Microsoft Recall debacle, Brad Smith and the CSRB, Apple Private Cloud Compute
June 22nd, 2024 | 46 mins 55 secs
ai, apple, csrb, microsoft
Welcome to Episode 1 of a brand new cybersecurity podcast discussing the biggest news stories of the week. Ryan Naraine hosts a fast-moving conversation with Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade (LABScon) and Costin Raiu (Art of Noh) on the Microsoft Recall debacle, the dark patterns emerging as big-tech embraces AI, Brad Smith's testimony and the lingering effects of the CSRB report, Apple's new Private Cloud Compute (PCC) infrastructure and Cupertino's long game. Oh, we also discuss the KL ban.
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Cris Neckar on the early days of securing Chrome, chasing browser exploits
April 11th, 2024 | 54 mins 36 secs
chrome, investments, pwn2own, supply chain, venture capital
Episode sponsors:
- Binarly, the supply chain security experts (https://binarly.io)
- XZ.fail backdoor detector (https://xz.fail)
Cris Neckar is a veteran security researcher now working as a partner at Two Bear Capital. In this episode, he reminisces on the early days of hacking at Neohapsis, his time on the Google Chrome security team, shenanigans at Pwn2Own/Pwnium and the cat-and-mouse battle for browser exploit chains. We also discuss the zero-day exploit marketplace, the hype and promise of AI, and his mission to help highly technical founders bring products to market.
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Costin Raiu joins the XZ Utils backdoor investigation
April 5th, 2024 | 51 mins 33 secs
apt, apt29, lazarus, solarwinds, stuxnet, xz utils
Episode sponsors:
- Binarly, the supply chain security experts (https://binarly.io)
- XZ.fail backdoor detector (https://xz.fail)
Malware paleontologist Costin Raiu returns for an emergency episode on the XZ Utils software supply chain backdoor. We dig into the timeline of the attack, the characteristics of the backdoor, affected Linux distributions, and the reasons why 'Tia Jan' is the handiwork of a cunning nation-state.
Based on all the clues available, Costin pinpoints three main suspects -- North Korea's Lazarus, China's APT41 or Russia's APT29 -- and warns that there are more of these backdoors lurking in modern software supply chains.
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Katie Moussouris on building a different cybersecurity businesses
January 19th, 2024 | 29 mins 50 secs
Episode sponsors:
- Binarly, the supply chain security experts (https://binarly.io)
- FwHunt (https://fwhunt.run)
Katie Moussouris founded Luta Security in 2016 and bootstrapped it into a profitable business with a culture of equity and healthy boundaries, proving that businesses can be profitable by putting people first. She is a pioneer in the world of bug bounties and vulnerability disclosure and serves in multiple advisory roles for the U.S. government, including the new CISA Cyber Safety Review Board (CSRB).
On this episode, Moussouris discusses Luta Security's new Workforce Platform profit-sharing initiative, the changing face of the job market, criticisms of the CSRB's lack of enforcement authority, and looming regulations around zero-day vulnerability data.